Nicole Richie recently spoke on the ‘Breaking the Mold’ panel during Advertising Week. She shared advice on how it’s important for her children to see her fail sometimes.

Fortune.com said the following:

“It’s really important for them to go through the journey with you.”

The tendency for mothers is to protect their children from, well, everything. Yet the one thing you shouldn’t shield them from is failure, says reality TV star turned entrepreneur Nicole Richie.

Speaking at a panel at New York Advertising Week, the mother of two described how her daughter has witnessed the ups and downs of her career, which has included stints in television, fashion, writing, and philanthropy.

“She’s seen me go to auditions and not get the part. She’s seen me design a collection [for my fashion brand House of Harlow 1960], and have 25% of it disappear,” the Candidly Nicole star said of her daughter. “It’s really important for them to go through the journey with you.”